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: Hi, : Please, could someone (or many someones ) help me with the english of : the family relationships below, : Is the child of a cousin called a 'first cousin' or 'cousin once removed' ? It's like this: Siblings are people with the same parents. First cousins are people with the same grandparents. Second cousins are people with the same great grandparents. Third cousins are people with the same great great grandparents. Etc. Nth cousin, X times removed describes the relationship between A and B where B and C are Nth cousins and A is a descendant of either B and C, X generations down. For example, if B and C are second cousins, and A is C's great great grandchild (that is, four generations down), then A and B are second cousins, four times removed. Similarly, your first cousin once removed is either your parent's first cousin (that is, you are his/her first cousin's child) or your first cousin's child (that is, you are his/her parent's first cousin). : Is the child of a 'cousin once removed' a 'cousin twice removed' ? It depends on which side of the cousin once removed relationship you are on. For example, if your first cousin once removed is your first cousin's child (that is, YOU are in the older generation), then his/her child is your first cousin twice removed (but your child is his/her second cousin). If your first cousin once removed is your parent's first cousin (that is, HE/SHE is in the older generation), then his/her child is your second cousin (but your child is his/her first cousin twice removed). : Are brother or sisters (and their spouses) of one's grand parent's called : great aunts a great uncles? That is one common usage, yes.

Nth cousin, X times removed describes the relationship between A and B where B and C are Nth cousins and A is a descendant of either B and C, X generations down. I don't think you quite meant this, Harlan: it would make me (A) a first cousin once removed of my father (, provided that he had a first cousin (C).  How about: It's the relationship between A and B where B and C are Nth cousins and A and C are lineally related X generations apart in either direction. Brian M. Scott

It's like this: Siblings are people with the same parents. First cousins are people with the same grandparents. Second cousins are people with the same great grandparents. Third cousins are people with the same great great grandparents. Etc. [and X times removed is the generation difference] Quite right.  The cousin number is one less than the number of generations you have to go up to find a mutual ancestor. So siblings are really just zeroth cousins. All relationships can be described in terms of cousinships, so my uncle and I are zeroth cousins once removed, but his wife, my aunt, is not related to me (at least not with small numbers). The null, or identity, relationship, i.e. what am I to myself, is that of (-1)th cousin, and so the relationship between my mother and my nephew is (-1)th cousin twice removed.  Let's see you bend your minds around that!

In article <6l78od$ This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , Quite right.  The cousin number is one less than the number of generations you have to go up to find a mutual ancestor. So siblings are really just zeroth cousins. All relationships can be described in terms of cousinships, so my uncle and I are zeroth cousins once removed, but his wife, my aunt, is not related to me (at least not with small numbers). The null, or identity, relationship, i.e. what am I to myself, is that of (-1)th cousin, and so the relationship between my mother and my nephew is (-1)th cousin twice removed.  Let's see you bend your minds around that! Right. A minus-oneth cousin twice removed is a grandparent/grandchild. Minus-oneth/once is parent/child, zeroth is sibling, zeroth/once is aunt/uncle/niece/nephew, zeroth/twice is great-A/U/N/N.  We did this in freshman CS with the royalty of the Wars of the Roses.  There were people who had more than one relationship to each other along different lineages.

**Please note Spam Trap** On Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:41:31 GMT, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it (Rainer Thonnes) in < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote |The null, or identity, relationship, i.e. what am I to myself, is |that of (-1)th cousin, and so the relationship between my mother |and my nephew is (-1)th cousin twice removed.  Let's see you bend |your minds around that! Doesn't take too much work to bend your mind around it. This is something real! But how do you describe your parents? Zeroth cousin once removed?

On 4 Jun 1998 22:57:17 GMT, Harlan Messinger < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote: Nth cousin, X times removed describes the relationship between A and B where B and C are Nth cousins and A is a descendant of either B and C, X generations down. Nearly right. It's the (symmetric) relationship between A and B where *either* (1) A and C are Nth cousins and B is an X-generation descendant of C; or (2) B and C are Nth cousins and A is an X-generation descendant of C. An easier way to think of it is that A and B are Nth cousins X times removed if, to reach siblings, you must rise N generations in the family tree from one person and N+X generations from the other. Or, to reach a common ancestor, you must ascend N+1 generations from one person and N+X+1 generations from the other. See my Web page, http://www.cris.com/~Brownsta/relation.htm, for diagrams.